to tote kai to twra

[periplanwmenos]

ithela apla na kanw mia mini istoriki sygkrisi, metaksu tou kairou, pou katataghka egw sto polemiko nautiko, kai tin katastasi pou epikratouse, tote, kai tin katastasi, pou epikratei twra, symfwna panta me ta legomena oswn grafoun edw

de tha makrugorisw
apla tha tonisw ta xtypita shmeia diaforwn

etos 2006 septebrios

1) i kathe seira, arithmouse panw katw...metaksu 1300-1800 atoma

2) oi metatakseis apo strato kshras kai aeroporia ,se nautiko htan kati to synithismeno, kai sxetika eukolo na ginei, me ena mesaio busma

3) stis monades tou nautikou stin athina, kyriarxouse ws mesos oros to 1-3 off, kai to 1-4 off. to 1-2 off, thewrountan dusmeneia, kai opoios to petyxaine sinithws xleuazotan apo tous allous nautes- busmata. Sta nhsia, ta misa epaizan me apisteuta kala off ( typou 5 mesa -25 eksw) alla me polu kala opws 10 mesa 20 eksw, kai ta ypoloipa ta akritika, 15- 15

4) den ypirxe paramethwrios, oute gia plaka, kai oi apospaseis itan fainomeno periorismeno se liges monades


ioulios 2009

1) i kathe seira an arithmei 1000 atoma einai eutuxima !!!

2) oi metatakseis einai pia eidos en aneparkeia, ews eidos pros eksafanisi

3) stis monades tis athinas, to 1-3 off, thewreitai pia, ws super paradise fasi, enw oi pio polles monades styl 1-4, 1-5, metatrapikan se 1-1, 1-2
sta nhsia, oi paradeisoi twn off, eksafanistikan en mia nukti, kai pantou paizei to apexthes 20 mesa- 10 eksw

4) i paramethwrios einai pia gegonos, kai oi apospaseis elloxeoun se oles sxedon tis monades




ara... symperasma pio einai?

pane na baloun louketo sto nautiko gia tous klirwtous, afou einai pia sigouro oti tha isxusoun oi eksaggelies peri monimopooisis tou nautikou

kai kataferan oi karabanades na metatrepsoun ton pio busmatiko klado twn enoplwn dunamewn, diladi to polemiko nautiko, se mia apla anekti ypiresia


ara.... oi palioi oti zhsame , zhsame,
autoi pou upiretoun twra, dustuxws, zoun tis synepeies tis metabasis
kai autoi pou tha ypiretisoun sto mellon( an yparksoun), tha fane to xontro paketo <!-- s:cool -->:cool<!-- s:cool -->


itan apla mia mikri istoriki anadromi
an exw kanei kapoio lathos, i exw pei kapoia anakribeia, eleuthera na me diorthwsete
ws pros to 2009 ennow, giati gia to 2006, den exw amfibolies <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->

 

[ygeionomikarios]

Periplanwmene diavasa me prosoxh thn istorikh sou anadromh kai 8elw na kanw merika sxolia-erwthseis.
1) 8ewreis arnhtiko genika to gegonos oti h thiteia sto P.N. eksiswnetai throumenwn twn analogiwn me ayth ston Strato Ksiras?
2) Eisai anti8etos me thn katarghsh ths thiteias se Naytiko kai Aeroporia? Kaka ta psemata mexri twra oi 2 aytoi kladoi twn Enoplwn Dynamewn leitourgousan ws magazakia politikwn gia na kanoun rousfetia.

8a ginw kourastikos alla 8elw na epanalavw oti h ennoia tou "off" den yfistatai pou8ena ston Strato Ksiras. Par' ola ayta an diavaseis to subforum tou Stratou Ksiras 8a diapistwseis oti ta perissotera paidia kanoun adiamartyrhta th thiteia tous xwris na gkriniazoun kai na mizeriazoun. Anti8etws sto diko sas forum akoma kai ton palio kalo kairo pou yphretouses esy ginotan xamos apo "kataggelies" kai "antipara8eseis" gia "apan8rwpes" syn8hkes se monades opws to KEPAL ktl. Eixan malista ftasei na grafontai ayta kai se efhmerides. Sxhma oxymoro giati grafontan apo kapoious pou den ekanan parame8orio kai pou epaizan 1-1 sto Skaramagka dhladh 15 km apo to spiti tous! Pou 8elw na katalhksw? As doume san 8etikh kinhsh to kopsimo twn metataksewn kai thn katarghsh ths thiteias sto Naytiko giati etsi 8a enisxy8ei h dynamh twn monadwn sto strato ksiras kai 8a xalarwsoun ligo ta fantaria pou den eixan thn "tyxh" na exoun "mparmpa sthn Korwnh". Ayta ta fantaria pou kanoun poreies xiliometrwn mesa se kakotraxala vouna kai liwnoun ta arvyla tous thn wra pou kapoioi naytes xwris na exoun idea ti esti poreia sto strato grafoun: "Οι αρβύλες πονάνε απίστευτα μέχρι να ανοίξουν. Μόλις ανοίξουν, θα σας πονάνε υποφερτά, πάντως θα σας πονάνε για πάντα."

 

[periplanwmenos]

basika pou les sunadelfe ygeionomikarie, prin apantisw, prepei na tonisw kati pou den exw anaferei arketa kathara


to busma, safws kai einai mia adikia, enantia, autou pou den exei busma

diladi, egw xrisimopooisa busma, epeidi to eixa, opws fusik kai polloi alloi


esu twra thewreis, oti an katargithei to nautiko kai i aeroporia, tha ftiaksei kata kapoio tropo i koinwniki anisotita, pou paratireitai metaksi thiteias se strato, kai thiteias se nautiko kai aeroporia

pisteuw oti, epeidi to busma einai emfuto sto aima tou neo-ellhna
de prokeitai na diorthwthei kamia anisotita, gia ton aploustato logo


apo ti stigmi pou tha ginoun aeroporia kai nautiko, swmata mono gia monimous...
auto ti shmainei?

polu apla oloi ekeinoi oi polu vusmatouxoi pou mexri tote epelegan, nautiko kai aeroporia me metataksi, tha prepei na pane strato

ara poia i lusi gi autous?
polu aplh
tha dimiourgithoun sto strato, apo tous politikous kai ta busmata, (nees monades kai ypiresies)
pou tha nai eite fantasmata, eite super vysmatikes, eite apla bysmatikes

diladi px ekei pou sto strato ena stratopedo tha exei px... 20 diaforetikes ypiresies kai theseis...
e twra tha apoktisei alles 5 px... oi opoies 5 theseis, tha katalambanontai apo busmata, pou tha xoun kalutera off, adeies, kai ypiresies, apo tis alles 20 idi yparxouses theseis

to sustima diladi tha brei tropo, na bolepsei ton eauto tou

diladi de tha luthei tipota, to mono pou tha allaksei tha nai to onoma
de tha legetai pia.. nautiko
tha legetai.. px.. a klados ygeionomikou.. i b klados mhxanikou... ktl ktl


to busma kai i adikia tha yparxei, se opoiadipote anadiarthrwsi stratou ki an sumbei auto

diladi me apla logia, auto puo thelw na sou pw einai, oti akomi kai sto strato, xwris to nautik okai tin aeroporia, tha yparxoun panta. merikoi pou DE THA DOUN POTE TON EBRO, OUTE ZWGRAFISTO

de boreis na nikiseis to sustima, mono na to pas plagiws


poia einai i proswpiki mou apopsi?

apli

egw to xw dilwsei oti xrisimopoooisa busma, kai de ntrepomai pou to ekana, giati thewrw ti thiteia xasimo xronou

tha mou peis esu twra... autos pou den eixe ti poluteleia, na eixe to busma... apenanti mou den aisthanetai adikimenos?

einai thewritika, alla omws ton sebasmo mou, tha ton kerdisei se mia mono periptwsi


an autos pou diamartyretai gia mena i gia ton opoidipote eixe busma, allaksei thesei me mena
kai pei.. ( nai file.. exw vusma... alla de tha to xrisimopooisw, giati goustarw na eimai dikaios ston sunanthrwpo)
e loipon auton nai tha ton paradektw.. kai tha exei kerdisei to sebasmo mou

alla kapoion pou... den exei busma, kai allaze thesi me mena, apoktouse busma, kai meta epratte opws egw, diladi ekmetaleuotan to busma tou... giati na ton sebastw? afou tha exei tin idia filosofia me mena, ara praktika, de tha exei kati diaforetiko apo mena gia na me entypwsiasei



diladi to na paraponietai kapoios epeidi den eixe vysma, de to thewrw kati aksio logou anaforas

giati stin teliki na sou pw kati?
autos pou den exei busma ston strato, mporei na exei busma stin douleia tou.. sto dhmosio px.. kai na to xrisimopooisei auto eis baros kapoiou allou

thewrw loipon aksio anaforas, auton pou tha exei busma, kai apofasisei na mi to xrisimopooiisei


auta panw katw ws analusi..... <!-- s:cool -->:cool<!-- s:cool -->

 

[ygeionomikarios]

Dekta ola ayta pou les. Ki egw fovamai oti 8a dhmiourgh8oun monades h posta 100% vysmatika me diaforetikes eksodous, adeies ktl. twra pou oloi 8a yphretoun sto Strato Ksiras.
Pantws den apanthses sto teleytaio sxolio. Oti para tis eksorgistika eynoikoteres syn8hkes prin apo 2 xronia sto P.N. kai pali yphrxan gkrinies apo tous naytes (vlepe KEPAL).

 

[periplanwmenos]

e entaksei, panta tha yparxoun kai ta boutura <!-- s:bravo -->:bravo<!-- s:bravo -->

sti monada mou, px, pou mas epaize meso oro 7-10 mesa kai 20-25 eksw.....

ypirkse oplonomos, pou diamartyrithike ston dioikiti, ( mesw tou patera tou )

epeidi den ithele na ton paizei 7 mesa- 24 eksw
alla ithele na pata mono 3 meres to mhna mesa


entaksei gi autous, de boroume na kanoume kati <!-- s:cool -->:cool<!-- s:cool -->

apla ti ginetai sto nautiko, ypirxe alli metaxeirisi apo to strato
sto nautiko epaizan diladi monades me 1-1 off i xeiroteri kai 1-5 off i kaluteri, meso oro gia tin athina

e o nautis tou 1-1 off, logika eniwthe adikimenos se sxesi me auton tou 1-5 off

bebaia, se sygrisi me ton strato pou merikoi ontws kanoun kana mhna na doun adeia.... tha eniwthe paneutuxis

alla epeidi einai anomoia pragmata, to nautiko, kai o stratos, de borei na ginei petyxhmeni sygrisi

pantws.. den antilegw, oti kai stis pio eukoles monades, tou nautikou, panta tha yparxei kapios pou tha nai bouturo, kai tha gkriniazei

auto de symbainei mono sto strato

symbainei kai stin alithini zwh
kapoioi exoun ta panta, plouth, gkomenes, amaksia , kotera, kai eksakolouthoun na gkriniazoun
e einai i legomeni anthrwpini aplhstia

we cant do anything about that <!-- s:cheers -->:cheers<!-- s:cheers -->


p.s.
pantws to kepal, prin 2 xronia, oi sunthikes itan arketa asximes, akomi kai monades tou stratou, mporousan na thewrithoun pio anektes apo oti to kepal
itan i mauri trypa tou polemikou nautikou, kai isws i xeiroteri monada tou

den itan to 1-1 pou epaize sto kepal, pou to ekane aforhto
itan mia kompania aksiwmatikwn, pou ekmetaleuomenoi kai tis atasthalies tou tote dioikiti, kalopernousan autoi, rixnontas olo to forto ergasiwn stous nautes
epaizan arketoi parametroi tote diladi <!-- sPDT_Armataz_01_01 -->PDT_Armataz_01_01<!-- sPDT_Armataz_01_01 -->

 

[ixthys]

EIMASTE BISMATIES KAI PERHFANOI GIAUTO....

STO NAUTIKO PANE KALA PAIDIA....KAI TA KALA PAIDIA DEN PREPEI NA TA STENAXWROUN....

 

[ygeionomikarios]

[quote author="ixthys"]EIMASTE BISMATIES KAI PERHFANOI GIAUTO....

STO NAUTIKO PANE KALA PAIDIA....KAI TA KALA PAIDIA DEN PREPEI NA TA STENAXWROUN....[/quote]

Eisai ektos 8ematos file...

 

[vagelakas]

Πάντως όπως τα λες και τώρα που έγιναν λίγο χειρότερα τα πράγματα η κατάσταση είναι απείρως καλύτερη από το στρατό ξηράς....

 

[periplanwmenos]

ennoeitai.....
akomi ki etsi, kalutera nautis, para pezikarios <!-- s:cool -->:cool<!-- s:cool -->

 

[ΙΑΣΩΝ]

kai kataferan oi karabanades na metatrepsoun ton pio busmatiko klado twn enoplwn dunamewn, diladi to polemiko nautiko, se mia apla anekti ypiresia

Να υπενθυμίσω ότι αυτοί είναι που έκοψαν τους στρατεύσιμους από τα πλοία.Να είσαι σίγουρος , ότι όταν υπηρετούσαν στα πλοία , ήταν πολύ χειρότερο απ'το να είσαι πεζικάριος.Έχω ακούσει απίστευτες καταστάσεις μέσα στα καράβια.Ας μας γράψει κάποιος που υπηρέτησε σε Κ/Φ ή Α/Γ.Να ευχαριστείς , λοιπόν το Θεό που υπηρέτησες σε υπηρεσία ξηράς και τους πολιτικούς προϊσταμένους του ΥΠΕΘΑ που υπάρχουν ακόμα στρατεύσιμοι ναύτες για να λουφάρουν.

4) den ypirxe paramethwrios, oute gia plaka, kai oi apospaseis itan fainomeno periorismeno se liges monades

Το 2006 δεν υπήρχαν παρατηρητήρια;

 

[periplanwmenos]

sumfwnw oti sta ploia itan duskola
an kai stis fregates, epeidi exw gnwsto pou einai monimos kai upiretei se fregata, to klima ekei einai arketa anekto (oi fregates einai arketa syghrones, kai paizei kala i upiresia ekei)

ekei pou einai drama, einai se ola ta ypoloipa, saravala ploia tou stolou, opws kati metagwgika apo to 1960, kai kati alla boithitikou typou karabakia, kai akomi kai kapoiou palaiou typou antitorpilika

ekei ontws den paleuetai

an kai kapoia paidia edw kata kairous eixan grapsei oti se rumoulka, pernousan arketa kala

eksartatai ti monada, kai tous dioikountes, to pws tha peraseis, ki oxi ti fhmh tis monadas tis idias

kai edw na parathesw episis Iaswna , oti mporei na ypiretisa nautis ksiras, alla i monada mou.. ta rantar diladi tou parathrhthriou, thewreitai, kai einai eksisou neuralgikos tomeas tou nautikou , oso kai i ypiresia se ena ploio, afou xwris rantar, ta ploia de tha mporousan na kinithoun me asfaleia

twra an perasa light, kai an imoun busma auto einai allo thema,
den eksetazoume auto, alla tis allages sto nautiko genikotera





kai b )

nai ypirxan paratiritiria to 2006, alla i andros, ta kuthira, kai i skuros mono paramethwrios den thewrountan <!-- s8) -->8)<!-- s8) -->

4 wres me to karabi to pio makrino, htan
paramethwrio thewrountan ta akritika nisia, opws lesbos, xios

alla tote, enas nautis mporouse na ypiretisei ekei 2 mhnes, kai meta na zitisei apospasi se ypiresia tis athinas

den itan ypoxrewtiko to 6 mhno, opws einai twra

tote i paramethwrios itan mono sta logia, kai opws tin ennoouse o kathenas

paramethwrios to 2006, thewrountan kai i salamina (30 km makrua apo tin athina)
htan omws? <!-- s:cool -->:cool<!-- s:cool -->

 

[noone]

i salamina akoma thewreitai paramethorios opws kai to kepal kai nb kanellopoylos

sigoura einai ligo ews polu asteio auto pou symbenei me ta bysmata klp, alla toso asteia einai kai i ennoia tis thiteias. Bebaia, ayto einai AKRWS ypokeimeniko. Egw san foititis ekswterikou kai sxedon san monimos katoikos ekswterikou (sxedon 10-etia) thewro aparadekti tin ypoxrewtiki thiteia gia panw apo 3-6 mines. Opote prospathisa na eksomalynw tin katastasi kai na pesw sta malaka xrisimopoiontas ena metrio bysma gia na mpw naytiko kai na meinw athina (salamina-skaramagka). Stin periptwsi mou itan i auto, i tipota, extra anaboli i anypotaktos, fantaros ston ebro de tha pigena pote!

Gia na mi ksefeygw apto thema pantws, thelw na pw ston periplanwmenos pws exei pesei arketa mesa oson afora stin perigrafi tou PN gia to 2008-2009. An ta pragmata itan etsi to 2006, tote itan makran kalutera. Edw na simeiwsw pws oi monades einai anypofores dioti de "menoun" mesa oi naytes. Diladi enas ypnos kai telos, oute mpanio, oute saounes, oute jacuzzi xrisimopoioun. Fysika einai elaxisti ypoxrewsi tou PN na parexei swstes egkatastaseis gia opoion menei mesa eite einai gia 1 mera eite kai 15. Einai thema ygeiinis kai dikaiwma toy strateysimou na exei antrwpines synthikes diabiwsis kai mpania, toualetes, kathara mageiria klp.

Egw proswpika exw paiksei apo 1-2eksodou mexri 1-5 off, alla to eksodou itan pio syxno. Meta tin propaideysi den emeina pote panw apo 1 nyxta mesa sto naystathmo opote exw kanei mpanio 1 mono fora sti salamina me PAGWMENO nero se aparadekto ntouz! an gia kapoio logo eprepe na meinw 2-3-4-5 nyxtes mesa, de kserw ti tha ginotan....aparadekto!!

Oso gia ta karabia pou eipate parapanw, ontws itan skliri fasi, giati oso nanai ena polemiko ploio (exw mpei se arketa kai exw meinei 2 nyxtes otan pigame poro gia orkomosia) kai den einai sxediasmeno gia diakopes. Egw proswpika de tha ithela na meinw gia panw apo 1 wra mesa se ena tetoio. De to sizitw gia 15 meres taxidi.

Kata ti gnwmi mou, de tha exei diafora sti bysmatiki diadikasia sto strato ksira. Symfwnw pws kai ekei tha anoiksoun magazakia bysmatika kai einai adiko, krima, tragiko, thlibero. To thema den einai to pou kai to pws, alla to giati. Einai krima na zoume etsi kai na to dexomaste. NAI, exw dei kalyteres synthikes, NAI exw zisei aksiokratia sto ekswteriko (ta lew ayta giati enas geloios simeoforos mou eixe pei "giati re file, exeis dei esy pouthena aksiokratia?") kai tha mporousan kai edw na allaksoun ta pragmata me sarwtikes allages kyriws nootropias koinwnikis kai politikis.

De pisteuw pws i katargisi tou PN kai tis PA exoun ousia... einai gia ta matia tou kosmou mallon...

kali synexeia se olous... perpatw kai dialyomai, les na apolyomai...?

 

[periplanwmenos]

sunadelfe, noone
oti eixa paraleipsei na pw, me kalypses plhrws 100 ta ekato me tis dhlwseis sou


ontws o stratos san ennoia stin ellada, einai kati to kwmikotragiko
ontws aksiokratia, den prokeitai na yparksei, oute an katargithei to nautiko gia klirwtous

kai kuriws, to xamhlo nohtiko epipedo arketwn karabanadwn monimwn stratiwtikwn stin ellada, apokleiei, kathe elpida diorthwsis twn pragmatwn sto mellon <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->

p.s.
oti perigrafes ekana gia to nautiko gia to etos 2009, safws den sthrizontai stin proswpiki mou empeiria, alla kuriws, stin pleiopsifia twn arthrwn pou exoun grapsei edw kata kairous , oi nautes pou ypiretoun auti ti stigmh ( kai apo kana 2 filarakia dika mou, pou upiretoun twra, ws extra phges)

gia to 2006 pantws, se bebaiwnw ki apo proswpiki empeiria, oti oles oi perigrafes mou, einai pera gia pera alithines. htan polu pio omorfa tote <!-- s8) -->8)<!-- s8) -->

 

[noone]

aaa kai kati mikro gia ta rimoulka.
aposo kserw, sta rimoulka kanei koumanto o aksiwmatikos (anthypoploiarxos i oti einai analogws)
opote mporei kaneis na paiksei opws nanai me off klp, analoga me ton arithmo twn naytwn kai tin palaiotita. sinithws oi monimoi einai polu cool, kai eidika otan einai paroplismena ta rimoulka, pernane ladi oi naytes.

 

[periplanwmenos]

nai auto isxuei
Prin kana xrono, egrafan edw kati paidia, pou upiretousan se rumoulka, paroplismena pithanotata, kai elegan oti tous epaize mexri kai 7 mesa 7 off
fash nhsiou diladi, kai tin pernousan arketa kala sto habale

de thymamai pou ta exoun grapsei ta arthra tous
auta pantws isxuan prin kana xrono
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[ygeionomikarios]

Exw na antipara8esw kapoia pragmata se osa egrapse o filos noone. Prwton symfwnoume sto oti h thiteia me to xarakthra pou exei den prosferei sxedon tipota kai epi ths ousias einai xamenos xronos. Ayto to pistevei h syntriptikh pleiopshfia twn fantarwn tou Stratou Ksiras (eksairountai mono kapoioi stratokavloi pou ws epi to pleiston pane eidikes dynameis). Par' ola ayta gia na kaneis esy th thiteia sou sthn A8hna kai sth Salamina kapoioi yphrethsan ston Evro, sth Lhmno, sth Symi, sto Kastellorizo. Oloi emeis loipon pou mas esteilan ekei exoume paromoies antilhpseis me esena gia th thiteia, exoume ki emeis ptyxia kai metaptyxiaka, alloi apo Ellada, alloi apo ekswteriko alla apla isws den eixame to diko sou vysma h den to kynhghsame. Ara emena h dhlwsh sou "fantaros ston Evro den 8a phgaina pote" mou akougetai allazonikh.
Milhses gia 8emata ygieinhs kai egkatastasewn. Fysika kai einai swsto ayto pou les alla gia na eimaste dikaioi ftaime ki emeis gia thn kakh ygieinh twn xwrwn mesa sta stratopeda. Otan kapoios den "vriskei stoxo" sthn Tourkikh kai "ta kanei" ap eksw h katouraei mesa sto kala8aki gia ta xartia tote sigoura den ftaiei o stratos gia tis syn8hkes ygieinhs. Epishs egrapses thn tromerh sou empeiria oti ekanes ena mpanio se olh th thiteia sou me pagwmeno nero!!!!! kai ayto htan aparadekto. Eleos re sy kai ti egine pou ekanes mpanio me pagwmeno nero? Stratos einai. Den einai kollegio, oute nhpiagwgeio oute ksenodoxeio 5 asterwn!
Telos peri aksiokratias o stratos einai o teleytaios xwros pou 8a eprepe na mas apasxolei h anaksiokratia. As doume prwta to provlhma ths anaksiokratias sthn koinwnia kai ti mporei na ginei kai epeita asxoloumaste kai me to strato. Epishs pws einai dynaton na diamartyresai esy gia thn anaksiokratia sthn Ellada otan me thn prwth eykairia xrhsimopoihses anaksiokratika mesa gia na voleyteis sto strato? As mhn eimaste loipon oi klassikoi ellhnarades pou gkriniazoume gia ola kai 8aymazoume to ekswteriko otan emeis oi idioi exoume ferei ton topo mas se ayto to xali.

 

[noone]

exeis dikio file ygeionomikarios an kai ksefeygoume apo to thema.
etsi gia tin istoria omws, mias kai i koubenta exei nohma kai epipedo, tha sou apantisw oso pio syntoma ginetai.
Ontws akougetai allazoniki i dilwsi peri ebrou kai de thelw na snobarw kanenan kai tipota. O logos omws pou to eipa einai pws kalws i kakws exw epiloges gia na mi to kanw, opws kai oloi oi alloi. kai den ennow bysma, i to PN. Egw proswpika an den imoun sto naytiko, sti salamina, sto skaramagka kai 1 mesa 2-3-4-5 eksw, apla de tha pigena fantaros. Egrapsa me kefalaia pws oi antilipseis mas einai akrws ypokeimenikes. Isws gia kapoious allous na einai dyskolo na paroun alli anaboli, i na meinoun anypotaktoi, gia mena omws oxi. Egrafa gia mena kai mono, giauto ta eipa ola auta.
Bebaiws den eimaste edw gia na parathesoume o kathenas tin istoria tou kai ton pono tou, aplws egrapsa kapoies apopseis mias kai to post/thread fanike na to sikwnei.
Oso gia to kruo mpanio, ontws den itan toso tragiko <!-- s --><!-- s --> alla den perigrafei oute sto elaxisto tin athlia katastasi pou briskontai ta ekgatelleimena afodeutiria <!-- s:| -->:|<!-- s:| -->
Auto pou ithela na pws einai pws oi synthikes einai diamorfomenes etsi wste na min mporeis na xrisimopoihseis autous tous xwrous, opote einai san na sou lene pws ola einai ftiagmena gia na mi meneis mesa gia panw apo 1-2 meres to polu

Telos peri aksiokratias. Ontws, xrisimopoihsa anaksiokratiko meson gia na kanw ti thiteia mou ligotero epodeini. Prosopika, tha eixa terastio oikonomiko kostos an de to ekana, giauto protimisa na kanw oti mporw. Alliws de tha pigena fantaros opws eipa. Egw niwthw kalutera pou ekana ti thiteia mou estw anaksiokratika ws pros tous stratiwtes pezikou, para na imoun akoma me anaboli i anypotaktos. Einai thema optikis gwnias, exeis dikio pantws.

Episis pisteuw pws o stratos einai kommati tis ellinikis koinwnias, opote de prepei na to bgazoume apti lista ektaktou anagkis. Ayto afenos epeidi ephreazei xiliades strateysimous, afeterou epeidi epireazei perissoteres xiliades monimwn pou plirwnoun oi ellines polites me tous forous tous. Petamena lefta gia olous, pliris axristeia, aneparkeia kai kerdoskopia, eite politiki, eite oikonomiki.

stin teliki re paidia, protimw na xrisimopoihsw bysma, na kanw ti thiteia oso pio omala ginetai kai na prospathisw na kalutereysw to systima san ergazomenos, epixeirimatias, politis kai oxi san fantaros.

 

[ΙΑΣΩΝ]

[quote author="periplanwmenos"]sumfwnw oti sta ploia itan duskola
an kai stis fregates, epeidi exw gnwsto pou einai monimos kai upiretei se fregata, to klima ekei einai arketa anekto (oi fregates einai arketa syghrones, kai paizei kala i upiresia ekei)

ekei pou einai drama, einai se ola ta ypoloipa, saravala ploia tou stolou, opws kati metagwgika apo to 1960, kai kati alla boithitikou typou karabakia, kai akomi kai kapoiou palaiou typou antitorpilika

ekei ontws den paleuetai

an kai kapoia paidia edw kata kairous eixan grapsei oti se rumoulka, pernousan arketa kala

eksartatai ti monada, kai tous dioikountes, to pws tha peraseis, ki oxi ti fhmh tis monadas tis idias

kai edw na parathesw episis Iaswna , oti mporei na ypiretisa nautis ksiras, alla i monada mou.. ta rantar diladi tou parathrhthriou, thewreitai, kai einai eksisou neuralgikos tomeas tou nautikou , oso kai i ypiresia se ena ploio, afou xwris rantar, ta ploia de tha mporousan na kinithoun me asfaleia

twra an perasa light, kai an imoun busma auto einai allo thema,
den eksetazoume auto, alla tis allages sto nautiko genikotera





kai b )

nai ypirxan paratiritiria to 2006, alla i andros, ta kuthira, kai i skuros mono paramethwrios den thewrountan <!-- s8) -->8)<!-- s8) -->

4 wres me to karabi to pio makrino, htan
paramethwrio thewrountan ta akritika nisia, opws lesbos, xios

alla tote, enas nautis mporouse na ypiretisei ekei 2 mhnes, kai meta na zitisei apospasi se ypiresia tis athinas

den itan ypoxrewtiko to 6 mhno, opws einai twra

tote i paramethwrios itan mono sta logia, kai opws tin ennoouse o kathenas

paramethwrios to 2006, thewrountan kai i salamina (30 km makrua apo tin athina)
htan omws? <!-- s:cool -->:cool<!-- s:cool -->[/quote]
Όταν λέμε πλοία εννοούμε τα πολεμικά.Τα ρυμουλκά δεν είναι θητεία σε πλοίο αφού είναι στη Σαλαμίνα.Επίσης όταν λέω για δύσκολες συνθήκες , δεν εννοώ μόνο την κατάσταση του πλοίου.Όταν ταξιδεύεις με κανονιοφόρο με 7 μποφόρ , ξερνοβολάς είτε είναι καινούργιο το πλοίο είτε παλιό.Επίσης τα ραντάρ ούτε θεωρούνται , ούτε είναι εξίσου νευραλγικός τομέας του ΠΝ με τα πλοία.Τα ραντάρ είναι βοηθητικά (και το ξέρω γιατί έχω συγγενή εν ενεργεία αξ/κό).Τα ραντάρ που έχουν τα πλοία έχουν τουλάχιστον την ίδια εμβέλεια με αυτή των παρατηρητηρίων , άρα τι ασφάλεια τους προσφέρουν;Και κάτι τελευταίο , δεν νομιζω να αυξήθηκαν οι ναύτες που υπηρετούν στα νησιά από το 2006 εώς τώρα.

 

[periplanwmenos]

koita
sto thema twn rantar, epeidi exw kanei arketes bardies se rantar, kai exw milisei kai me asurmatous, kai exw xrisimopooisei kai kwdikes epikoinwnias, eisai lathos, otan les oti den einai neuralgika

mporei ta ploia na exoun rantar, alla se kamia periptwsi den exei idia embeleia, oso twn parathrhthriwn,
allwste auto fainetai, oti polles fores, ta idia ta ploia zitoun diorthwsi poreias, kai pio euru mati ereunas, apo ta idia ta parathrhthria
episis, polles fores mporei sen enan tomea na min yparxei ploio tou pn, kai i moni ereuna na ginetai apo to parathrhthrio tis sterias
sun oti ena parathrhthrio, den xrismeuei mono sto na blepei... alla kai sto na syntonizei askiseis

profanws iaswna den exeis brethei pote se askisi parmeniwn, opou sta parathrhthria, peftei olos o fortos tis douleias, kai xwris auta, polu apla de tha borouse na giinei kamia apo tis perifimes natoikes askiseis

epeidi egw exw brethei se tetoia katastasi, me allous nautes fusika, epetrepse mou na exw alli apopsi <!-- s --><!-- s -->


to gegonos oti sta parathrhthria, ypiretoun aploi nautes, pou arketes fores to rixnoun kai sti loufa, den paei na pei oti ta rantar twn parathrhthriwn, einai boithitika, i apla gia diakosmisi

allwste to nautiko den nomizw na dine tosa polla xrimata, se tetoies egkatastaseis, ( pou aksizoun ekatomuria eurw) apla kai mono na apasxolei merikous loufadwrous nautes <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->

i leksi boithitiko i alliws back up se kamia periptwsi den ypobathmizei, ti shmasia kai ti leitourgikotita tis idias tis ypiresias

kai metaksi mas, to en energeia aksiwmatikos pou aneferes kapou den shmainei polla apo mono tou
mporei o suggenis sou pou aneferes, na einai ypeuthynos se mia monada rantar, alla de shmainei oti katanoei plirws kai tin idia ti leitourgia tou rantar

kai sti monada mou, o dioikitis kai o ypodioikitis, elaxista pragmata kseran gia to rantar
apla dioikousan


oso gia ta sygxrona ploia, safws kai paizei rolo, an ena ploio einai sugxrono i aparxaiwmeno

idia zwi perna o nautis sti fregata, pou exei megalo xwro sxetika gia dwmatia/kouketes, kala apoduthria, ktl ktl
kai idio perna o nautis se ena antitorpiliko toy 70 , pou zitima einai an exei kai ntous gia na kaneis mpanio?

einai kati polu perissotero loipon apo to an tha piasei kapion nautia pou anafereis, i zwi sto karabi
gia ti nautia stin teliki yparxei kai i dramamini
auto einai to eukolo kata ti gnwmi mou


kai teleiwnw legontas, oti pote den eipa oti auksithikan oi nautes pou ypiretoun sta nhsia apo to 2006, ews to 2009

antithetws exoun meiwthei, afou exoun meiwthei kai o arithmos twn esso, kai kuriws kati nhsia pou phgainan mono vusmata, kai epairnan kai 50 nautes ti fora, twra pernoun 10-15 to polu


opws kai na xei, gia na sunopsisoume toulaxisto sto thema twn rantar oti den einai neuralgika, sto PN opws ta ploia, sygnwmi filaraki alla eisai 100 ta ekato lathos
apo oles tis apopseis diladi <!-- s8) -->8)<!-- s8) -->

kai stin teliki an einai axrista opws les, e tote as katargithoun
na deis ti omorfa meta the pernane oi lathremporoi apo to kabo ntoro stin euboia,
kai oi tourkoi apo ta stena

an den ksereis apo konta, i an den exeis zhsei tin leitourgeia kapoiwn monadwn
kalo einai na min ekfrazeis apoluth gnwmh, basismenos sto ti sou exoun pei, i ti exeis akousei, giati ektithesai

auta
filika panta <!-- s8) -->8)<!-- s8) -->

 

[ixthys]

[quote author="ygeionomikarios"][quote author="ixthys"]EIMASTE BISMATIES KAI PERHFANOI GIAUTO....

STO NAUTIKO PANE KALA PAIDIA....KAI TA KALA PAIDIA DEN PREPEI NA TA STENAXWROUN....[/quote]

Eisai ektos 8ematos file...[/quote]

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